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1778 Pleasant Ridge Road, State Road
$199,000
3 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1237815 MLS
1778 Pleasant Ridge Road may not be the fanciest home on the street, but it offers something just as important — opportunity and value! SHOWINGS START 10/9/2026 This home does need some updating, and it is priced accordingly. For the buyer who is willing to make improvements over time, there is plenty of potential to make this home your own. Better yet, it could be enjoyed as a comfortable home now while updates are made at your own pace. Several important updates have already been taken care of, including a BRAND NEW HVAC 10/2026, NEW water heater 8/2026, and NEW fuse box 10/2026. Those are some big-ticket items already checked off the list! Whether you're a first-time buyer looking for an affordable place to call home, or someone searching for a property with potential this one deserves a closer look. Don't let the cosmetic updates keep you from seeing what this property could become. Come take a look, bring your ideas, and see the possibilities for yourself!

1778 Pleasant Ridge Road, State Road

Listing courtesy of Ward & Ward Properties, LLC. Contact:

238A Pilgrim Ridge Road, Wilkesboro
$325,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1237855 MLS
SPACE, PRIVACY, & FREEDOM — on 2.42+/- acres with NO HOA! If you’ve been searching for room to spread out without restrictions, this one deserves a look. Offering approximately 2,100 sq. ft., this spacious 3-bedroom, 2-bath home features true hardwood floors throughout much of the home, vaulted ceilings, and multiple living spaces. Gather around the wood-burning fireplace in the main living room, enjoy meals in the dedicated dining room, or take advantage of the second living area for a den & home office. Additional updates include newer stainless steel appliances, heat pump replaced in 2020, new septic lines, and roof replaced in 2013. Outside, you the freedom to truly make the property your own by relaxing on the covered front porch or decks. The large detached carport and spacious storage building provide plenty of room for vehicles, equipment, hobbies, and more. Conveniently located with access to Hwy 421 & Boone — giving you cul-de-sac privacy without sacrificing convenience.

238A Pilgrim Ridge Road, Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of North Carolina Mountain Investments, LLC. Contact:

2231 Germantown Road, Moravian Falls
$189,000
2 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1237480 MLS
Great opportunity in Moravian Falls! This 2-bedroom, 1-bath home sits on approximately 4.33 acres with a spacious yard and room to enjoy the outdoors. All appliances convey. Conveniently located near the lake, the property offers well water and a septic system. A singlewide previously occupied a portion of the property and has been removed. Previous utility connections may offer potential for future use, subject to buyer inspections, verification, and any required approvals. Whether you’re looking for a primary residence or an investment property, this home and acreage offer plenty of possibilities!

2231 Germantown Road, Moravian Falls

Listing courtesy of Realty One Group Results. Contact:

478 Randleman Road, Hamptonville
$260,000
3 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 4429716 MLS
Enjoy the best of country living in a beautiful rural setting while still being conveniently located near everyday amenities. This property offers a peaceful backdrop with plenty of charm and character, highlighted by a gorgeous barn that adds both functionality and appeal. Whether you're looking for space to enjoy the outdoors, room for animals, hobbies, or simply a quiet place to call home, this property offers endless possibilities in a great location.

478 Randleman Road, Hamptonville

Listing courtesy of Real Broker, LLC. jpwalker76@icloud.com
478 Randleman Road, Hamptonville
$260,000
3 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1237286 MLS
Enjoy the best of country living in a beautiful rural setting while still being conveniently located near everyday amenities. This property offers a peaceful backdrop with plenty of charm and character, highlighted by a gorgeous barn that adds both functionality and appeal. Whether you're looking for space to enjoy the outdoors, room for animals, hobbies, or simply a quiet place to call home, this property offers endless possibilities in a great location.

478 Randleman Road, Hamptonville

Listing courtesy of Real Broker LLC. Contact:

118 Hamlet Place, Ronda
$65,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 4430845 MLS
Calling All Investors! Don’t miss this unique 2-for-1 investment opportunity located just minutes from downtown Elkin! This property features two homes, offering multiple possibilities for investors, rental income, or additional living and storage space. The gray home is currently connected to utilities and features new flooring throughout most of the home, along with 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The brown wood-sided home currently does not have utilities connected and offers 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom, making it a potential additional rental, renovation project, or ample storage space. With its convenient location and multiple opportunities, this property has the potential to be a valuable addition to your investment portfolio. Schedule your private tour today and explore the possibilities!

118 Hamlet Place, Ronda

Listing courtesy of Golden Key Realty NC, LLC. lee@gkrnc.com
118 Hamlet Place, Ronda
$65,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1237612 MLS
Calling All Investors! Don’t miss this unique 2-for-1 investment opportunity located just minutes from downtown Elkin! This property features two homes, offering multiple possibilities for investors, rental income, or additional living and storage space. The gray home is currently connected to utilities and features new flooring throughout most of the home, along with 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The brown wood-sided home currently does not have utilities connected and offers 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom, making it a potential additional rental, renovation project, or ample storage space. With its convenient location and multiple opportunities, this property has the potential to be a valuable addition to your investment portfolio. Schedule your private tour today and explore the possibilities!

118 Hamlet Place, Ronda

Listing courtesy of Golden Key Realty NC, LLC. Contact:

1076 Clingman Road, Ronda
$299,500
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236703 MLS
Completely transformed from the outside in, this move-in-ready home is essentially new from top to bottom! Sitting on 1.44 acres, this 3-bedroom, 2-bath home has been fully gutted and remodeled with no detail overlooked. The spacious primary bedroom features a private ensuite bath, while the beautifully updated kitchen with granite countertops includes a newly added walk in pantry. Major updates include a new roof, heat pump, HVAC, electrical wiring, windows, vinyl siding, gutters, and more. From the exterior finishes to every detail inside, this home has been thoughtfully renovated with a fresh, modern design and quality updates throughout. A clean, walk-in basement provides excellent additional storage or flexible space for hobbies, a workshop, or future use. This is a true complete transformation and a rare opportunity to own a home that feels brand new!

1076 Clingman Road, Ronda

Listing courtesy of R&B Legacy Group. Contact:

213 N Street, North Wilkesboro
$109,900
2 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1237305 MLS
This home is located in a unique location, you must see it. There are so many possibilities. Bring your design ideas and remodel to your liking. Adjacent to the home is a large garage. The garage has 2 covered parking areas and 2 overhead doors. The garage building has an office type area that was a salon at one time.

213 N Street, North Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Dream Maker Properties, LLC. Contact:

1815 Longbottom Road, McGrady
$369,900
4 Beds ⋅ 4 Baths ⋅ 4427701 MLS
Tucked away in a private mountain setting in Wilkes County, this 3-bedroom, 3-bath home sits on approximately 2.6 acres and offers an impressive combination of privacy, recreation, and versatility. Enjoy creek frontage along the property and the added benefit of backing up to NC Game Lands, creating an ideal setting for outdoor enthusiasts, hunters, or anyone looking for a peaceful mountain retreat. The property also includes a tiny home, offering additional space and excellent potential for guests, extended family, or an Airbnb/short-term rental opportunity. Raised garden beds, an artisan well, and ample storage add even more functionality to the property. Whether you're searching for a full-time mountain residence, weekend getaway, recreational basecamp, or property with income-producing potential, this unique Wilkes County property offers plenty of possibilities.

1815 Longbottom Road, McGrady

Listing courtesy of Whitetail Properties Real Estate LLC. chris.weaver@whitetailproperties.com
1568 Airport Road, North Wilkesboro
$299,000
3 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1237266 MLS
Charming cottage with character throughout, offered on 13.1± acres across two parcels both included, sold together. Home features a cozy covered front porch, large sunroom off the back, and all appliances included. A manufactured home sits just behind the main house. Ideal for rental income, extended family, or a private in-law retreat. Also includes a 2-car carport and several storage buildings, all conveying. Bring your vision and make it your own, offered AS IS. Endless possibilities with this much land and two homes on site. Buyer to verify permitted use.

1568 Airport Road, North Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Realty One Group Results. Contact:

165 Country Lane, Millers Creek
$309,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1237243 MLS

165 Country Lane, Millers Creek

Listing courtesy of Realty One Group Results. Contact:

1224 Mountain View Road, North Wilkesboro
$260,000
3 Beds ⋅ 3 Baths ⋅ 1237174 MLS
This 3-bedroom, 2.5-bathroom split-foyer home on approximately 1.19 acres is conveniently located close to grocery stores, restaurants and within 7-15 min from schools. Features include a covered front porch, a lower-level garage, and a detached garage with an attached shed, providing ample storage and parking options. The home needs some work and offers plenty of potential for the buyer looking to renovate and make it their own. The existing back deck will need to be completely removed and rebuilt. DO NOT WALK ON BACK DECK.

1224 Mountain View Road, North Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Carolina Realty ERA Live Moore. Contact:

326 Prospect Drive, North Wilkesboro
$274,500
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1237026 MLS
Nicely updated brick ranch with modern finishes and low-maintenance exterior features. The kitchen offers stylish cabinetry, solid-surface counters, subway tile backsplash, stainless appliances, open wood shelving, modern hardware, and a striking black faucet. Both baths have been attractively updated with contemporary vanities, fixtures, tile, and thoughtful details, including one with a tiled tub/shower and another with a tiled walk-in shower and glass enclosure. Wood floors run through the living room and bedrooms, with tile/plank flooring in the kitchen and baths. Heat pump with central air. Full basement with garage and walk-out access. Double attached carport, fenced backyard with black chain-link fencing, metal roof, vinyl eaves/overhangs, and replacement windows. Convenient to Millers Creek and the Wilkesboros.

326 Prospect Drive, North Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Realty One Group Results. Contact:

226 Pleasant Hill Drive, Elkin
$379,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236887 MLS
Tucked away on 4.42 acres just minutes from downtown Elkin, this charming brick home offers a wonderful combination of character, space, and versatility. Inside, original hardwood floors add warmth throughout, while the living room features a cozy fireplace and the sunroom provides a bright, relaxing space to enjoy views of the property. Outside, the acreage offers room to garden, entertain, or simply appreciate the extra space and privacy. Multiple outbuildings provide additional storage and flexibility, while the two-car garage adds everyday convenience. The unfinished basement offers even more potential for storage, recreation, a workshop, or future finished space. With generous acreage, classic brick construction, and a convenient location near shopping, dining, and the heart of Elkin, this property offers plenty of room to make it your own. Wilkes County could not locate the septic permit. Security and Ring camera do not convey

226 Pleasant Hill Drive, Elkin

Listing courtesy of Howard Hanna Allen Tate - Statesville. Contact:

226 Pleasant Hill Drive, Elkin
$379,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 4428486 MLS
Tucked away on 4.42 acres just minutes from downtown Elkin, this charming brick home offers the space, character, and versatility that are becoming increasingly hard to find. Inside, original hardwood floors add warmth and character, while the inviting living room features a cozy fireplace. The eat-in kitchen provides plenty of room for everyday meals, and the sunroom is the perfect spot to enjoy morning coffee while overlooking the property. Outside, fenced areas, established garden space, multiple outbuildings, and plenty of usable acreage offer endless possibilities for gardening, recreation, hobbies, or simply enjoying a little extra breathing room. The unfinished basement offers additional potential for future living space, recreation, a workshop, or storage. Recent improvements include a 2020 roof, updated electrical wiring and outlets, and a 2025 water heater. With a two-car garage, covered outdoor space, generous acreage, and a convenient location near shopping, dining, and all that Elkin has to offer, 226 Pleasant Hill Drive is ready for its next chapter. Wilkes County could not locate the septic permit Security and Ring cameras do not convey

226 Pleasant Hill Drive, Elkin

Listing courtesy of Howard Hanna Allen Tate Statesville. 704-251-4008
2101 Mount Sinai Road, Wilkesboro
$250,000
3 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1236765 MLS
LAND IS APPROXIMATELY 1.23 ACRES. 3 BEDROOM 1 BATH HOME WITH DETACHED DOUBLE GARAGE AND EXTRA BUILDIN THAT COULD SERVE MANY USES.(SEE PICTURES). FULL BASEMENT. DINING ROOM, KITCHEN, 2 OTHER ROOMS THAT COULD HAVE VARIED USES.

2101 Mount Sinai Road, Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Carolina Realty ERA Live Moore. Contact:

1011 Thankful Church Road, Boomer
$135,900
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236587 MLS
Home in Boomer on 4.9 acres of land, home is sell as-is, unsure of water and septic, unsure of heat. Call to see this home today. Buyer/Agent shall verify all systems and information given. See Buyer agent information.

1011 Thankful Church Road, Boomer

Listing courtesy of Swift Real Estate Specialists, Inc. Contact:

148 Church Park Road, North Wilkesboro
$335,000
1236460 MLS
Investment opportunity in North Wilkesboro! Situated on 2.57 acres, this mobile home park includes 5 homes currently in place with a total of 6 lots, offering established rental income with additional potential. The five homes currently generate a combined $3,650 per month, or $43,800 in annual gross rental income. For Reference with current list price the new owner could expect around a 10-11% CAP rate using the conservative allowance the current owners use for operating expenses. With five income-producing homes already in place and a sixth lot, this property offers an opportunity for an investor looking to add a smaller rental portfolio to their holdings without starting from scratch. Convenient to North Wilkesboro with access to area shopping, services and major roadways. Shown by Appointment only, no drive-bys please. Expenses, NOI and cap rate are estimates provided for informational purposes only. Buyer and buyer's agent should independently complete their own analysis.

148 Church Park Road, North Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of eXp Realty. Contact:

102 Reynolds Road, North Wilkesboro
$219,000
2 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 4427556 MLS
Built in 1936, this single-family home offers 800 square feet of living space and another 700 square feet of storage or work space on a 0.11-acre lot. The one-story layout includes a family room, dining room, fireplace, and a basement. Wood and tile floors run throughout, and the home is equipped with central heating, central air conditioning, and ceiling fans. A wood stove and gas stove are both present. The kitchen includes a refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, stove/range, and freezer. A washer and dryer are included. Outdoor space includes a balcony, patio, deck, or porch. Wilkes Regional Medical Center isNorth Wilkesboro, and US-421 runs through the area connecting the town to the broader corridor.

102 Reynolds Road, North Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Wild Wild West Group LLC. listingbroker@propertysystems.com
411 Cabin Cove Lane, Moravian Falls
$299,000
2 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 4427462 MLS
If you love the look of a wood cabin, but prefer a more contemporary feel, you will fall in love when you enter the Great Room with a wood floor and vaulted wood ceiling from the large covered front porch. This right sized 2 bedroom/2 bath farm home on a private one way paved cul-de-sac also has an office for work (or play) and a screened back porch for private relaxation. Appliances including ref & wash/dryer stay and a one year home warranty is included along with an extra lot so you can enjoy the privacy of the outdoor gathering area perfect for hosting family and friends. There are three sheds are on the property, one of which has electricity. West Meadow is a beautiful wooded rural community that values nature. It has the mountain feel without the often difficult access. In addition to the meadow and common areas, there is a spectacular perimeter trail system and community garden plots are available. The website "westmeadowpoa.com" has additional information that may be helpful.

411 Cabin Cove Lane, Moravian Falls

Listing courtesy of Costello Realty & Development. FredCostelloRealty@gmail.com
411 Cabin Cove Lane, Moravian Falls
$299,000
2 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236365 MLS
If you love the look of a wood cabin, but prefer a more contemporary feel, you will fall in love when you enter the Great Room with a wood floor and vaulted wood ceiling from the large covered front porch. This right sized 2 bedroom/2 bath farm home on a private one way paved cul-de-sac also has an office for work (or play) and a screened back porch for private relaxation. Appliances including ref & wash/dryer stay and a one year home warranty is included along with an extra lot so you can enjoy the privacy of the outdoor gathering area perfect for hosting family and friends. There are three sheds are on the property, one of which has electricity. West Meadow is a beautiful wooded rural community that values nature. It has the mountain feel without the often difficult access. In addition to the meadow and common areas, there is a spectacular perimeter trail system and community garden plots are available. The website "westmeadowpoa.com" has additional information that may be helpful.

411 Cabin Cove Lane, Moravian Falls

Listing courtesy of Costello Realty and Development LLC. Contact:

196 Lewis Fork Drive, Wilkesboro
$341,900
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236216 MLS
Roomy ranch near W. Kerr Scott Lake with flexible living space and great outdoor areas! Living room features a fireplace, while the den opens to a large deck and screened gazebo—perfect for relaxing or entertaining. Three bedrooms and 2 baths include a Primary Bedroom with private bath (shower-no tub). A spacious 330 SqFt Bonus Room over the garage, accessed from the 3rd bedroom, offers dormer windows and separate baseboard heat—ideal for a home office, craft/sewing room, playroom, or hobby space. Large basement provides additional usable space, washer/dryer hookup (washer/dryer convey). Kitchen appliances convey, (refrigerator, range (broiler does not work), microwave & dishwasher. New roof & exterior staining/painting of house in 2023 (see docs). Second lot to right of home includes a gazebo & offers nice space for a garden or outdoor activities. Convenient access to W. Kerr Scott Lake boat launch & park across Hwy 421 via Recreation Rd.

196 Lewis Fork Drive, Wilkesboro

Listing courtesy of Real Broker LLC. Contact:

1490 Glenn Carlton Road, Boomer
$95,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236115 MLS
Great investment opportunity! This three-bedroom, two-bath single-wide manufactured home sits on approximately 1.3 unrestricted acres with mountain views and a gravel driveway. The home is ready for a buyer to make it their own. Well water and septic system. Conveniently located in Boomer near W. Kerr Scott Reservoir. Cash-only purchase and being sold as-is.

1490 Glenn Carlton Road, Boomer

Listing courtesy of Realty One Group Results. Contact:

173 Pebblestone Road, Millers Creek
$269,900
3 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1236078 MLS
LOCATION, privacy, acreage and a beautiful stream—all tucked away in a Millers Creek cul-de-sac! This 3-bedroom home sits on 1.23 acres and offers a peaceful setting with plenty of room to enjoy the outdoors. Inside, you’ll find hardwood floors and comfortable living spaces, while a large two-car garage adds parking and plentiful storage. The bonus room downstairs makes a great office or relaxation space. Recent updates include a new roof and gutters, plus relatively new appliances, which all convey. A great opportunity to enjoy country surroundings while still being conveniently located to grocery shopping, pharmacies and other amenities.

173 Pebblestone Road, Millers Creek

Listing courtesy of Ward & Ward Properties, LLC. Contact:

2709 Murray Road, State Road
$229,900
2 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 4425634 MLS
Welcome home to this adorable cottage nestled in the heart of State Road and conveniently located in the East Wilkes School District! Situated on 2.4 acres, this charming home offers plenty of character and warmth, featuring beautiful hardwood floors, a cozy fireplace, and a spacious den perfect for relaxing or entertaining. Enjoy the peaceful setting while being just minutes from downtown Elkin, local restaurants, wineries, shopping, trails, Blue Ridge Parkway, Stone Mountain State Park and an abundance of other area attractions. Whether you're looking for a starter home, investment property, second home, or a place to comfortably downsize, this property offers endless possibilities. Come discover all this charming State Road cottage has to offer!

2709 Murray Road, State Road

Listing courtesy of Golden Key Realty NC, LLC. lee@gkrnc.com
2709 Murray Road, State Road
$229,900
2 Beds ⋅ 1 Baths ⋅ 1235936 MLS
Welcome home to this adorable cottage nestled in the heart of State Road and conveniently located in the East Wilkes School District! Situated on 2.4 acres, this charming home offers plenty of character and warmth, featuring beautiful hardwood floors, a cozy fireplace, and a spacious den perfect for relaxing or entertaining. Enjoy the peaceful setting while being just minutes from downtown Elkin, local restaurants, wineries, shopping, trails, Blue Ridge Parkway, Stone Mountain State Park, and an abundance of other area attractions. Whether you're looking for a starter home, investment property, second home, or a place to comfortably downsize, this property offers endless possibilities. Come discover all this charming State Road cottage has to offer!

2709 Murray Road, State Road

Listing courtesy of Golden Key Realty NC, LLC. Contact:

422 Green Acres Mill Road, Millers Creek
$250,000
2 Beds ⋅ 3 Baths ⋅ 1236059 MLS
This beautifully renovated home is one you need to STEP INSIDE to truly appreciate! Located in the sought-after Millers Creek area, this property offers 2 bedrooms, 3 FULL baths, PLUS additional upstairs space previously used as bedrooms, giving you plenty of flexibility for guests, a home office, hobbies, or extra storage. The additional upstairs space is not included in the advertised heated square footage.. Inside, you’ll find updates and character throughout, including newer stainless steel appliances, beautiful barn doors, a spacious renovated primary bath with a stunning glass-enclosed shower, and a LARGE walk-in closet. And the big-ticket updates? NEW ROOF in 2024, TWO heat pumps serviced in 2025—one for each level! Updated Outside is just as inviting with a fenced backyard, fire pit area perfect for cool Carolina evenings, a detached single-car garage, AND a double carport. Imagine sitting on your front porch and enjoy the peaceful setting.. oh and no Restrictions

422 Green Acres Mill Road, Millers Creek

Listing courtesy of North Carolina Mountain Investments, LLC. Contact:

244 Brookside Drive, Millers Creek
$243,000
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1236004 MLS
244 Brookside Dr is a one-story Millers Creek detached home built in 1979 with a practical layout on a spacious lot. The kitchen includes wood cabinetry, stone-look counters, tile flooring, and dining space nearby. The main living area has wood flooring, a ceiling fan, and natural light from multiple windows. Bedrooms include closet storage, while bathrooms include tile-surround tub and shower layouts with vanity storage. A deck, open yard, laundry area, and lower-level garage space complete this home with useful indoor and outdoor areas.

244 Brookside Drive, Millers Creek

Listing courtesy of Opendoor Brokerage LLC. Contact:

2910 Old Highway 60, Ronda
$399,900
3 Beds ⋅ 2 Baths ⋅ 1235835 MLS
Don't get left out on owning this gorgeously updated traditional style home! Full brick with beautiful columns on 5 acres with a view! You'll find fresh updates throughout the main floor which features 3 beds and 1 bath with living room, dining area, and new kitchen! In the NEWLY partially finished basement you'll find another full bathroom and 2 bonus rooms! Live the rural life outside on 5 acres with a small creek, plenty of space for livestock, garden, or whatever your heart desires. Quick access to 421, minutes from Wilkesboro, and downtown Elkin. Just 30 minutes from Statesville and Winston Salem

2910 Old Highway 60, Ronda

Listing courtesy of True North Realty. Contact:

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